Curse

Goonter · Sep 13, 2005, 04:26 AM // 04:26

/is a problem
Tombs, Team Areanas and GvG, a statemate option should be availbule.
Random teams, I agree that if one person lives past a certain duration that he should just loses.
Its random teams.
Your going to get a team with not enchanment brakers, no rez, or no stares sometimes.
Making a R/W and hoping that you land a team with enchanment brakers, or creating a E/Mo healer/smiter hoping your team will have a snare is not fair and to easy for a griefer to chance an oppurtunity to grief someone in this fashion.

This may not be the most serious of problems, but its griefing non the less.
And personally, If griefing of any kind can be addressed, Im in favor for it.
Ignoring it is agreeing that its ok, and; it will never stop because so.

Gwenhywar · Sep 13, 2005, 04:33 AM // 04:33

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Originally Posted by Kymber

You should've baited him into a place with no exits, blocking him off so he couldn't run away anywhere. (...)If he managed to evade 4 people for 50 minutes, then that definitely describes a lack of efficient communication and tactical ability on the winning team.
- Kymber

exactly ... I'm not doing random arenas often (and when I do, I'd certainly not waste even 10 minutes watching someone run around the arena o.O), but I had not yet seen a guy that the other team was not able to somehow trap in a corner, by cutting his way, etc ... in a matter of a few minutes.

Mhydrian · Sep 13, 2005, 04:36 AM // 04:36

I wish ANET would ban these idiots from the arena personally. But they do nothing. There are alternatives, I wish something would be done.

Manderlock · Sep 13, 2005, 04:37 AM // 04:37

Bah, just dont follow someone else build. I carry hamstring because I think that I might need it. Not because some build guild tells me to.

That being said, I hate runners. They are not good players only griefers.

Mhydrian · Sep 13, 2005, 04:41 AM // 04:41

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Originally Posted by Gwenhywar

exactly ... I'm not doing random arenas often (and when I do, I'd certainly not waste even 10 minutes watching someone run around the arena o.O), but I had not yet seen a guy that the other team was not able to somehow trap in a corner, by cutting his way, etc ... in a matter of a few minutes.

Um I try this all the time. It's easy to say this but it's not practical in apllication. For one, one man will not be able to trap a runner. It would be a rare sight indeed, as there are not but a few places one man can block another. And most runners are not that stupid.

And rememer this is random arena, getting your teamates to listen to you when coming up with a blocking plan doesnt work. There are simply too many morons who cant think but want to lead anyways. And I can tell you that even 4 people working together to block a runner wont catch him if he knows what they are doing.

Without a snare type skill you are simply screwed in random arenas. And alot of runners can mend cripple. So basically everytime I choose to play a class who cannot snare or a build w/o snare I am potentially leaving myself open to this kind of griefing.

One of many reasons why PVP in guildwars is subpar, especially in random arenas.

Eet GnomeSmasher · Sep 13, 2005, 05:09 AM // 05:09

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Originally Posted by Sanji

However, that does not stop the fact that being griefed by a runner is consensual. He keeps you there because you let him.

You're only half right. Yes, people should just leave if there's a griefing runner but as soon as the match starts that griefer has already wasted everyone's time, including his own team. There is no consent here. No ones asks to get griefed...

As for trying to box in runners, you can't even get near some of these dedicated griefing builds let alone try to surround him...

Sanji · Sep 13, 2005, 05:30 AM // 05:30

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Originally Posted by Eet GnomeSmasher

You're only half right. Yes, people should just leave if there's a griefing runner but as soon as the match starts that griefer has already wasted everyone's time, including his own team. There is no consent here. No ones asks to get griefed...

Arena Griefers do not do anything game breaking and there are simple player solutions with dealing with them.

There is little that can be done to stop people from being a drain on their team without running the risk of having a serious flaw in implementation. Not to mention the fact that Anet would be better served focusing on the problems in GvG and Tombs before worrying about Random and Team Arena.

Black Helll · Sep 13, 2005, 05:35 AM // 05:35

that sucks that u had to wait but 2 things (1) its just a random match y would u waits ur time and not leave (2) if u care so much bring a skill that inproves ur speed or nukers.

Sai of Winter · Sep 13, 2005, 06:06 AM // 06:06

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Originally Posted by con_ritmo

In my conversation with Leet, he knew he couldn't beat us, but he wanted
one of us to quit before he'd quit....just to give himself the satisfaction I imagine.

...so our team decided to wait.

50 minutes.

LMAO!!! That part just made me laugh

Warskull · Sep 13, 2005, 06:46 AM // 06:46

Griefers ruin the game for their teammates and the other team. There are plenty purely defensive builds that can be designed and you cannot account for all the possibilites of griefing in a single build. The arenas were designed to be quick matches.

The easiest solution is to add a maximum time limit and call a winner at that point. Arena matches aren't meant to last forever. If wisely chosen it won't affect a majority of matches (which rarely exceed 5 minutes.) This also solves the problem when two stalemate teams meet (usually two monk heavy teams) and no one can kill the other team off. There comes a point where it is better to just let the game declare a winner.

Additionally runners in the arenas break Arena.net's golden rule. They take the fun out of the game. 1hr+ Tombs matches being no fun is one of the major reason spirits got nerfed. For this alone they should be accounted for a dealt with.

Sainte · Sep 13, 2005, 07:18 AM // 07:18

Anyone who even tried to defend griefers in Random Arena should go delete GW off thier comp and rid the community of thier stupidity.

Yea, you can say "Oh, bring snares, if you dont, you suck and your build blows." That arguement is weak beyond belief. How stupid must you be to miss the fact that this happens in RANDOM ARENA. You CANT have a balanced group, its all random, hence RANDOM ARENA. Its retarded saying its your fault about not having snares. Why the hell should EVERY single person screw up thier build to bring a knockdown/pin down, just to finish off some lamer who needs to get a life?

Oh yea, I mean hell, its so easy for a Frag mesmer or a Heal monk to bring some KD/Slow skills right? I mean, a monk has a great total amount of 2 CONDITIONAL KD spells, Bane Sig and Sig of J, which dont work unless you are smite. Granted, a mesmer has more, but a hex can easily be removed. Perhaps an Elem, or even a Necro? Only War/Ranger have real Pindown/KD skills.

Also, leaving is NOT an option. 95% of the random groups you are full of rambo-freaks who charge 4v1 and die, curse then leave, leaving you to die. Its rare you find a good team, and to waste another 20 minutes going through noob groups to get another good team is lame. Why should everypone suffer because some low-life prick gets off on ruining the game for people.

So far, all the arguements about how griefers are justified are pathetic. Get some better arguements before trying to defend an act that would reseble that of a 3 year old kid.

Sereng Amaranth · Sep 13, 2005, 07:25 AM // 07:25

i ALWAYS bring a snare and condition/hex removal into random...its just good strategy

Sanji · Sep 13, 2005, 07:45 AM // 07:45

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